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richard engel's incredible ordeal, next. we're coming right back. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. richard engel's incredible ordeal, next. we're coming right back. show. richard engel's incredible ordeal, next. we're coming right back. an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am >>> and we here at msnbc are relieved and happy to report that nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel and his crew were freed late last night after five days in captivity in syria. engel described the ordeal on the "today" show this morning. >> we were driving in syria, about five days ago, in what we thought was a rebel-controlled area. we were with some of the rebels. and as we were moving down the road, a group of gunmen just literally jumped out of the trees and bushes on the side of the road. there were probably 15 gunmen. they were wearing ski masks. they were hea
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i would say it has some time to go. >> richard engel, thank you so much, richard. thank you. thanks for all your reporting from over there. one major concern, of course, has been assad's stockpile of chemical weapons, which president obama warned last week that he should not use or else risk the consequences. defense secretary kenya commented today. >> i would like to believe he has the message. we have made it pretty clear, and others have as well. it's also clear that the opposition continues to make gains in syria, and our concern is that if they feel like the regime is, you know, threatened with collapse that, they might resort to these kinds of weapons. >> washington post david ignacious joins me. you have been reporting inside syria and throughout the region. what is the appropriate course for the administration? the president trying to warn assad, but what are the military consequences? what is he really willing to do if those chemical weapons were used? >> well, i think the military planners have been working on that for many weeks trying to think how would the u.s. i
i would say it has some time to go. >> richard engel, thank you so much, richard. thank you. thanks for all your reporting from over there. one major concern, of course, has been assad's stockpile of chemical weapons, which president obama warned last week that he should not use or else risk the consequences. defense secretary kenya commented today. >> i would like to believe he has the message. we have made it pretty clear, and others have as well. it's also clear that the...
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it was after filing that devastating report that richard engel and his team were captured. >> we were driving in syria, about five days ago in what we thought was a rebel-controlled area. we were with some of the rebels. and as we were moving down the road, a group of gunmen just literally jumped out of the trees and bushes on the side of the road. there were probably 15 gunmen. they were wearing ski masks. they were heavily armed. they dragged us out of the car. they had a container truck positioned, waiting by the side of the road. they put us into that container truck. we were with some gunmen, some rebels who were escorting us. they executed one of them on the spot. then they took us to a series of safe houses and interrogation places, and they kept us blindfolded, bound. we weren't physically beaten or tortured. it was a lot of psychological torture, threats of being killed. they made us choose which one of us would be shot first. and when we refused, there were mock shootings. they pretended to shoot ghazi several times. and when you're blindfolded and they fire the gun up in th
it was after filing that devastating report that richard engel and his team were captured. >> we were driving in syria, about five days ago in what we thought was a rebel-controlled area. we were with some of the rebels. and as we were moving down the road, a group of gunmen just literally jumped out of the trees and bushes on the side of the road. there were probably 15 gunmen. they were wearing ski masks. they were heavily armed. they dragged us out of the car. they had a container...
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nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel and his crew were freed overnight after a fire fight in syria. they had been kidnapped and held for five days by a group they say was loyal to the syrian government. this morning on the "today" show, richard spoke a little about the ordeal. >> they kept us blindfolded, bound. we weren't physically beaten or tortured. it was a lot of psychological torture, threats of being killed. they made us choose which one of us would be shot first and when we refused, there were mock shootin shootings. >> richard engel and his two colleagues are safely out of syria, a bright spot of news during this difficult week. stay with us, the days "top lines" are coming up. when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us
nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel and his crew were freed overnight after a fire fight in syria. they had been kidnapped and held for five days by a group they say was loyal to the syrian government. this morning on the "today" show, richard spoke a little about the ordeal. >> they kept us blindfolded, bound. we weren't physically beaten or tortured. it was a lot of psychological torture, threats of being killed. they made us choose which one of us would be shot...
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>> richard engel, thank you very much. for more on this developing story, i want to go to "the atlantic's" jeffrey goldberg, also a columnist for bloomberg view, and white house correspondent for "the new york times," helene cooper. welcome to both of you. jeffrey, you covered this region extensively and have for years. you heard what the president has said and what richard has said. why this red line? something the united states never did in iraq, for instance, when hussein used chemical weapons, but we're doing it here. big shift maybe? >> well, only if you believe that it's really a red line. syrian opposition is probably correct to doubt whether the administration would do something if they use chemical weapons on their people. after all, they have been killing thousands of people every month, the assad government, using regular old conventional weapons. so it's not entirely clear to me that this would trigger an automatic response. there is no real obama doctrine here except for passivity, i'm afraid to say. >> helene
>> richard engel, thank you very much. for more on this developing story, i want to go to "the atlantic's" jeffrey goldberg, also a columnist for bloomberg view, and white house correspondent for "the new york times," helene cooper. welcome to both of you. jeffrey, you covered this region extensively and have for years. you heard what the president has said and what richard has said. why this red line? something the united states never did in iraq, for instance, when...
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engel and others, the rebels in the field are not taking it very seriously, because they don't think that there is really a military option. what would be the military option if there were any use of chemical weapons by the assad regime? >> well, you know, it's not a situation -- i've been an expert on chemical warfare for 25 years. they don't work very well at all against well trained, well equipped military forces, such as our own. having said that, if these weapons were used against syrian civilian populations to include the rebels, it could be devastating. the vx nerve agent are enormously lethal and almost impossible to deal with it if you don't have the technology both protective gear as well as anecdotes if you are exposed. you know, i think assad is about to go down catastrophically here in the coming year. he has -- the army is going to turn on him. it will be tempting for him -- he has already murdered 40,000 people -- to use these chemical weapons during the final days. >> is there anything that the united states can do to carry out the president's threat to -- that there
engel and others, the rebels in the field are not taking it very seriously, because they don't think that there is really a military option. what would be the military option if there were any use of chemical weapons by the assad regime? >> well, you know, it's not a situation -- i've been an expert on chemical warfare for 25 years. they don't work very well at all against well trained, well equipped military forces, such as our own. having said that, if these weapons were used against...
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toward recognition behind our allies and to some criticism, the rebel forces are telling our colleague, richard engel, too little, too late, and, in fact, the terror designation of several groups there is counterproductive, because they are the best fighters. what is your take on how we are trying to find a middle ground here? >> there is this notion we should have participated at the table in discussions. i'm not talking about militarily much earlier, they are frustrated with us as well. here's been the issue, so the best-funded, best-equipped, and best-capable fighters have been from the front or other extremist groups. so they have globed on to these opposition groups and been very effective tool and very effective units for them in fighting. and that's been a problem. so we have seen over time that the proliferation of these groups across a whole segment of opposition groups that six months ago we would have said had no extremists in them. that's the huge problem that we're facing. it's a little bit of catch up today to say the front is a terrorist organization. i'm glad that we're there, p
toward recognition behind our allies and to some criticism, the rebel forces are telling our colleague, richard engel, too little, too late, and, in fact, the terror designation of several groups there is counterproductive, because they are the best fighters. what is your take on how we are trying to find a middle ground here? >> there is this notion we should have participated at the table in discussions. i'm not talking about militarily much earlier, they are frustrated with us as well....
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richard engel, nbc news. >> we are also hearing new reaction off capitol hill. it's the supreme court's decision to take up two challenges to same-sex marriage. regardless of public opinion, it belongs to the nation's highest court. >> prior to this election, every vote has been and made it through a legislature, not the vote of the people. it's always in california, the people voted itself. we'll look and see from the supreme court. >> this is part of our future. marriage equality and the people who made this decision is part of what america is about. >> joining me now is elizabeth birch. it's great to see you today. a lot to talk about. the most recent polling which, i think, will be a surprise to some. 53% in support of legalizing marriage equality, tieing the previous record high. among young people, 18 to 29-year-olds in age range, 73% say they think same-sex marriages should be recognized as valid. you have been on the front lines of this fight. is this an issue that belongs before the nation's highest court and do you feel that this will be something wher
richard engel, nbc news. >> we are also hearing new reaction off capitol hill. it's the supreme court's decision to take up two challenges to same-sex marriage. regardless of public opinion, it belongs to the nation's highest court. >> prior to this election, every vote has been and made it through a legislature, not the vote of the people. it's always in california, the people voted itself. we'll look and see from the supreme court. >> this is part of our future. marriage...
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richard engel, on the outskirts of aleppo. >> you both just saw richard's report. aaron, let me start with you. how real, at this point, is the fear that bashar al assad's regime could use those chemical weapons against the rebels? >> i think the fear is real. the question is, what's the point? desperate men trapped in difficult circumstances might actually deploy these things. toward what ends is almost impossible to define. if they're used too close to syrian forces, to the jordanian borders, given the prevails winds, you could affect thousands of people. the options for blocking this are frankly pretty bad. if the united states, through use of air strikes, tries to take these out, assuming we know where they are, you have a dispersal problem. if you wait until they're used, we're talking about probably the insertion of ground forces in an effort to secure them. this situation in syria, though, with or without chemical weapons, is going to get a lot worse before it gets worse. >> worse in what way? >> well, what you're seeing -- even if assad is overturned tomorr
richard engel, on the outskirts of aleppo. >> you both just saw richard's report. aaron, let me start with you. how real, at this point, is the fear that bashar al assad's regime could use those chemical weapons against the rebels? >> i think the fear is real. the question is, what's the point? desperate men trapped in difficult circumstances might actually deploy these things. toward what ends is almost impossible to define. if they're used too close to syrian forces, to the...